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09:52:48 Jesus opened a github https://github.com/chiru-no/chiru.no
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16:51:15 -- Topic for #8chan-dev is "infinitydev.org | https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity (VFEC in progress) | https://gitgud.io/LynxChan/LynxChan this is good too | For those who cannot idle: http://irclogs.8ch.net"
16:51:15 -- Topic set by copypaste (~copypaste@8chan.co) on Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:35:16
16:51:15 -- Channel #8chan-dev: 50 nicks (3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 47 normals)
16:51:15 -- Mode #8chan-dev [+qo copypaste copypaste] by Hachi-chan
16:51:53 -- Channel created on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:06:30
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17:37:34 OdiliTime what's the cites table about?
17:38:48 ~copypaste what posts cite what other posts
17:38:53 ~copypaste a cite being a quote
17:38:59 ~copypaste a quote being >>>3 ur gay lol
17:39:15 OdiliTime hrm weird, ok I dun think I need it
17:39:22 OdiliTime working on the infinity 2 lynx migration script
17:39:33 ~copypaste you need it if you want post expiration to work correctly
17:39:43 ~copypaste when a post expires it updates the markup of any post citing it to break the link
17:39:51 OdiliTime ah
17:39:51 ~copypaste (turn the text from a red link to a green quote)
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17:57:05 OdiliTime what's post_clean about?
18:02:11 ~copypaste OdiliTime: posts, reports for which should be ignored
18:02:19 OdiliTime k
18:02:30 ~copypaste (auto dropped, Report submitted! still displayed to user but it never gets inserted)
18:02:42 ~copypaste connected to the [Clean] option in mod.php
18:02:52 ~copypaste there are global cleans and local cleans
18:02:57 ~copypaste if a post is global clean it can still be reported locally
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18:04:57 milez InfinityNext Varnish POC: https://github.com/infinity-next/infinity-next/pull/250
18:06:40 OdiliTime POC?
18:09:22 ~copypaste i commented
18:09:49 OdiliTime oh proof of concept
18:09:57 ~copypaste person of color obviously
18:10:05 ~copypaste we varnish all our niggers so that they give off a nice shine
18:10:10 ~copypaste like a shoe
18:13:27 ~copypaste i am pleased to see he didn't ban me from commeitng on the repo at laest
18:13:58 OdiliTime ok thread creation looks decent for a rough draft
18:15:11 OdiliTime copypaste: would you consider moving the infinity repo over to gitgud?
18:15:30 ~copypaste i will host my own git if i get banned from github
18:16:01 OdiliTime I guess I'll commit my work to github later then
18:16:03 ~copypaste despite github's idiocy as of late, i believe it needs to be hurt by SJ mentality to grow past it, and i believe both will happen
18:16:20 ~copypaste right now they are simply taking advantage of poor leadership and everyone wanting to cash out
18:16:59 OdiliTime on posts_*, is the thread/id only one level deep or does it tunnel all the way down?
18:17:11 OdiliTime like a reply of a reply, since have the same thread as parent?
18:17:27 ~copypaste one level
18:17:39 ~copypaste cites does the "all the way down"
18:17:42 OdiliTime excellent
18:17:55 ~copypaste all refer to the parent
18:18:06 ~copypaste (OP)
18:18:14 ~copypaste i think that's what you're asking ...
18:19:23 OdiliTime it is
18:20:29 ~copypaste i think that a tunneling system like reddit makes no sense in a chan context
18:20:48 ~copypaste (e.g. where a post #3 that cites 4 and 5 is said to be a child of them)
18:20:59 OdiliTime agreed, only because of the UI
18:21:06 OdiliTime as a DBA I could make an argument for it but probably best the way you have it
18:21:27 OdiliTime will reduce complexity and keep things simple
18:21:30 ~copypaste perhaps. i see the value of it, thus i retained ``cites``
18:21:35 ~copypaste sometimes you need "all posts which quote X"
18:21:37 ~copypaste it's rarre though
18:22:00 OdiliTime also you don?t have much else in an IB that nests like that
18:22:16 ~copypaste it can allow, for example, post backlinks on the server vs. JS
18:22:32 ~copypaste so backlinks as part of page gen like Next has
18:39:10 OdiliTime https://github.com/odilitime/infinity2lynx/blob/master/infinity4lynx.js
18:39:39 OdiliTime I need to talk to Lynx about the next steps
18:39:45 OdiliTime but want to get him to review
18:39:49 OdiliTime this is based on the lynx 1.5 schema
18:40:53 OdiliTime actually this is just phase 1, I already have the phase 2 script written but I'll finish phase 1 script before putting them together
18:57:43 OdiliTime so much easier than multidimensial client data
18:58:00 OdiliTime client?s keep their data in such disarray
19:11:35 Jesus sram backwards is mars. could martians be behind your computer?
19:12:12 OdiliTime lets see, I got dram, so mardians are
19:13:48 Jesus sram is still used for cpu cache doe
19:23:47 OdiliTime Good point
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19:47:47 milez >inb4 InfinityPheonix?
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20:13:23 __uguu__ copypaste: in your experience does having a cites table improve or degrade page generation performance ?
20:14:03 __uguu__ copypaste: right now srndv2 does it all in RAM, the problem is that all posts are loaded into RAM
20:14:35 __uguu__ i need to figure out an alternative for caching the content as that doesn't scale
20:14:51 __uguu__ maybe memecash
20:37:45 milez http://8ch.net.w3snoop.com --> Purchase/Sale Value: $202,613 USD
20:38:02 milez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g
20:39:01 StephenLynx kek
20:41:21 StephenLynx what does w3snoop.com even means?
20:41:30 Jesus 8ch.net? I'd buy that for a dollar
20:41:31 StephenLynx its related to that web standard thing?
20:41:43 StephenLynx aaah
20:41:44 StephenLynx wait
20:41:49 StephenLynx nvm, I fucked up
20:42:48 StephenLynx the thing is, people buy domains based on these loose statistic?
20:42:53 StephenLynx milez
20:43:01 milez w3snoop.com is obviously official W3 consortium of dank domain sales
20:43:15 milez these are just web scraper making money on ads
20:43:28 StephenLynx that doesn't take in consideration the site doesn't have intrusive ads
20:43:47 StephenLynx nor that traffic would be lower if the owner were to start on monetize it
20:43:53 milez I just thought the $200k figure was lulz
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20:44:14 StephenLynx well, you were the first one to mention it, right? :v
20:44:19 milez http://www.sitepricevalue.com/www/8ch.net
20:44:21 StephenLynx you should have pulled it out from somewhere
20:44:30 StephenLynx HAHAHAHHAA
20:44:32 StephenLynx 1
20:44:33 StephenLynx MILLION
20:44:35 StephenLynx DORRAH
20:45:07 milez this is the real one: http://www.urlrate.com/www/8ch.net
20:45:14 milez OFFICIAL GUARANTEED PRICE
20:45:36 StephenLynx HAHAHAH
20:45:39 StephenLynx my god
20:45:44 milez ...and have a daily income of around $ 2,769.00 US Dollar.
20:45:48 milez >seems legit
20:45:48 StephenLynx people actually pay these values?
20:45:54 milez oh fuck no
20:45:59 milez this is web spam bro
20:46:02 StephenLynx lynxhub.com is worth $ 240.00 :3
20:46:34 StephenLynx so which one is remotely trustworthy? the w3c one?
20:46:36 milez dmoz.org is worth $ 14,618,880.00
20:46:41 milez no...dude none of them
20:46:44 StephenLynx kek
20:46:57 StephenLynx so
20:47:04 StephenLynx where did you pulled the 200k from?
20:47:19 milez well my ass obviously
20:47:28 StephenLynx kek
20:48:01 milez actually what I said was: a website in the top 20K Alexa should fetch $200k
20:48:42 milez of course depends entirely on traffic quality ;)
20:49:00 StephenLynx yeah, I noticed that people meme'd what you said
20:50:36 milez hmm I just bid on some dank domains
20:50:44 milez High Bidder 8H 40M
20:51:07 milez now I need to stay awake 8H 40M somehow
20:51:29 StephenLynx what is your current local time?
20:51:55 milez 7:51pm
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20:53:08 StephenLynx oh, cmon
20:53:19 StephenLynx its just 4am
20:53:24 StephenLynx barely 5
20:53:37 milez well maybe for you
20:53:44 milez Feb 15 Monday Presidents' Day Federal Holiday
20:53:47 milez hmm USA holiday today
20:53:49 StephenLynx how early do you usually wake up?
20:54:04 milez nah I sleep really weird hours
20:54:07 StephenLynx kek
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22:42:05 ~copypaste milez: do meth
22:44:12 StephenLynx kek
22:44:28 StephenLynx btw, copypaste how is going vfec? any news?
22:45:08 ~copypaste i barely wrk on it since 8chan is so fast now
22:45:10 ~copypaste it seems not needed
22:45:40 ~copypaste i work on my emoji language, which is much more fun. it has been many years since i made a conlang, and this is the first one i've made that actually works well
22:45:54 StephenLynx but the IO issue wouldn't happen again if it gets the traffic it used to have?
22:46:12 ~copypaste sure, but do you see any indication of that every happening?
22:46:17 ~copypaste ( ???)
22:46:56 ~copypaste i am happy to wait for lynxchan to develop, and odili to write the migration since he volunteered
22:47:14 StephenLynx its going well.
22:47:18 StephenLynx I released 1.5
22:47:35 StephenLynx and im almost done with the hardest part of the deduplication for 1.6: the database migration
22:47:59 StephenLynx then its a bunch of bitch work on the parts that will be affected by this.
22:51:15 StephenLynx btw, since you stopped working on vfec
22:51:23 StephenLynx the beta subdomain is idle, right?
22:53:16 __uguu__ meth is bad
22:53:22 __uguu__ even adderall is iffy
22:53:31 __uguu__ amphetimines are.......
22:53:41 __uguu__ they aren't a good idea
22:54:23 __uguu__ I really like luakit i wish there was something like that that worked in wayland
22:54:40 __uguu__ tried to hack it to compile with gtk3 .... nope
22:54:54 __uguu__ gtk3 is a fucking disaster
22:55:10 ~copypaste midori ?
22:55:13 __uguu__ it's like the python2 to python3 disaster
22:55:29 __uguu__ does midori work at all? last time i used it it died
22:55:56 ~copypaste WOMM
22:56:01 __uguu__ WOMM?
22:56:05 ~copypaste works on my machine
22:56:09 ~copypaste how do you not know that
22:56:10 __uguu__ ah
22:56:21 __uguu__ i know the term not the acroymn
22:56:46 __uguu__ also tmux + ssh + shit wifi gives me so mch agl that i can't ttype
22:56:48 __uguu__ fak
23:27:59 ~copypaste __uguu__: use mosh
23:28:09 ~copypaste mosh has auto prediction, i use it because my internet is shitty all the time
23:28:16 __uguu__ maybbe
23:28:16 ~copypaste 65kb/s upload master race
23:28:21 ~copypaste maybe ?
23:28:25 __uguu__ i never had good experiences with mosh
23:28:35 ~copypaste how can you have bad experiences with an ssh replacemeent
23:28:43 ~copypaste all it does is connect and open bash
23:28:54 __uguu__ safe configuration
23:28:56 ~copypaste i'm hoping they implement SCP soon
23:29:16 ~copypaste i mosh to one machine, then use that as a stepping stone to the others
23:29:25 ~copypaste (who use ssh)
23:29:27 ~copypaste easier
23:29:33 __uguu__ does it do screen?
23:29:41 __uguu__ i want to be able to attach to tmux
23:29:48 ~copypaste of course
23:29:50 __uguu__ otherwise, it's not an ssh replacement
23:29:52 __uguu__ kk
23:29:52 ~copypaste it's just an ssh replacement
23:30:00 ~copypaste it supports colors, control sequences, w/e
23:30:06 ~copypaste it didn't use to support mouse but they added it recently i think
23:30:14 ~copypaste or maybe that patch is still in dev, either way i have it
23:30:18 ~copypaste ( ???)
23:30:44 [copypaste away: Not here right now. since 2016-02-15 23:30:44+0800]
23:30:54 [copypaste back: gone 00:00:10]
23:32:20 __uguu__ never worked for me
23:32:29 ~copypaste yes, it's very recent that's why
23:32:37 ~copypaste mouse support in terminal is gay though
23:33:03 __uguu__ does t work over ip6?
23:33:06 ~copypaste mosh's prediction could be much better though
23:33:08 ~copypaste i have no idea
23:33:11 ~copypaste my isp doesn't support that
23:33:15 ~copypaste i see no reson why not though
23:33:21 __uguu__ i use an ip6 vpn tunnel for all my stuff
23:33:25 __uguu__ so far... nodice
23:33:38 ~copypaste could be because mosh uses UDP
23:33:42 ~copypaste and it has to do with the tunnel
23:33:45 ~copypaste and not the IPv6
23:33:50 ~copypaste however, it works fine with my VPN
23:34:45 __uguu__ doesn't seem to want to bind to ipv6
23:35:13 ~copypaste it has a -6 flag
23:35:14 ~copypaste in the man page
23:35:15 ~copypaste try it
23:35:51 ~copypaste ipv6 is gay though
23:35:52 ~copypaste too many ips
23:35:58 __uguu__ yeh it's ip4 only
23:36:00 __uguu__ into the trash
23:36:03 ~copypaste it has a -6 flag
23:36:06 ~copypaste did you even try it
23:36:11 __uguu__ man doesn't show a -6 flag
23:36:17 ~copypaste ok so you have an out of date verison
23:36:22 ~copypaste this seems to be a personal problem
23:36:57 __uguu__ what is the latest version?
23:37:07 ~copypaste 1.2.5 maybe
23:37:19 __uguu__ 1.2.5 is what i got, no ip6 so far
23:37:32 ~copypaste maybe your man page is old, because my `man mosh` totally has it
23:37:40 ~copypaste along with `--family=inet6`
23:37:47 ~copypaste it's possible the pkg maintainer did not update the man page
23:38:01 ~copypaste OR, it's also possible that the minor version was not changed between commits
23:38:07 ~copypaste (although that sems unlikely)
23:38:21 __uguu__ this is why i don't use mosh by the way
23:38:28 __uguu__ it's problem after problemn
23:38:42 ~copypaste i use it every day without issue
23:38:42 __uguu__ doesn't "just work" therefore it's not worth my time until it does
23:38:55 ~copypaste i don't care if you use it or not
23:38:59 __uguu__ i know
23:39:01 __uguu__ :D
23:39:04 ~copypaste less faggots fagging up my glorious ssh replacement
23:39:22 ~copypaste i have to use it though, due to how shitty internet is in this country
23:39:26 ~copypaste i have no choice
23:39:34 ~copypaste you're lucky you only have shit wifi sometimes
23:39:41 ~copypaste i have it all the time, and i have a ethernet. lel
23:39:52 __uguu__ huhue doesn't bind to ipv6 and it's an ssh replaceent
23:40:07 ~copypaste i don't believe you that it doesn't bind
23:40:10 ~copypaste you just did it wrong
23:40:20 __uguu__ it doesn't bind
23:40:26 __uguu__ it only likes af_inet
23:40:29 __uguu__ no love for ip6
23:40:31 ~copypaste why's it have a flag then
23:40:42 __uguu__ anyways
23:40:48 * __uguu__ tries from source
23:41:01 ~copypaste --family=FAMILY
23:41:01 ~copypaste Force the use of a particular address fam?
23:41:01 ~copypaste ily, which defaults to `inet' (IPv4), and
23:41:01 ~copypaste can also be `inet6' (IPv6; requires
23:41:01 ~copypaste IO::Socket::IP or IO::Socket::INET6).
23:41:04 ~copypaste maybe you are missing a dep.
23:41:08 ~copypaste are those perl packages?
23:41:15 ~copypaste i didn't know mosh was perl
23:41:40 ~copypaste --bind-server={ssh|any|IP}
23:41:40 ~copypaste Control the IP address that the mosh-server
23:41:40 ~copypaste binds to.
23:42:10 __uguu__ it looks like it's in C over here
23:42:16 ~copypaste sepples actually
23:42:33 ~copypaste the code is not that bad
23:42:44 __uguu__ the guy who made it is interesting
23:42:51 ~copypaste i tried (and failed) to add scp to it
23:45:36 __uguu__ okay NOW it binds to ipv6
23:45:40 __uguu__ jesus fucking balls
23:46:01 ~copypaste lol it was the perl thing
23:46:03 ~copypaste wasn't it
23:46:19 ~copypaste scrub can't read man pages or uses a shitty distro where the maintainers don't keep them up to date
23:46:21 ~copypaste ( ???) lamo
23:53:08 __uguu__ no it was not accepting hostnames
23:53:14 __uguu__ using ip4 for now
23:53:17 __uguu__ is bullshit mostly
23:53:32 ~copypaste ipv4 did nothing wrong
23:53:44 __uguu__ kk
23:54:05 __uguu__ this is honestly more bullshit than it;s worth
23:54:06 ~copypaste i don't get why you need a hostname
23:54:13 __uguu__ ipv6 is long
23:54:29 ~copypaste but the host name can also refer to an ipv4 address, no
23:54:57 ~copypaste in /etc/hosts i have `::1 localhost` and `127.0.0.1 localhost`
23:55:01 __uguu__ it should be smart enough to figure it out
23:55:05 ~copypaste so how do you expect it to know what you mean
23:55:14 __uguu__ i have an ipv6 only hosts entry
23:55:27 __uguu__ this is basic stuff for a networked program
23:55:41 ~copypaste ok, so you expect it to resolve the hostname then choose the right proto
23:55:42 ~copypaste i agree
23:55:52 ~copypaste i'll open a bug for you since you're too entitled to do it yourself
23:56:19 __uguu__ i can't bind via ::%interfacename
23:56:35 __uguu__ that's one other thing
23:56:46 __uguu__ go handles this perfectly
23:56:53 ~copypaste muh go
23:57:00 ~copypaste a broken record, thou art
23:57:03 ~copypaste :D
23:57:04 __uguu__ i can give net.Listen any address string and it makes it work
23:57:06 __uguu__ :D
23:57:19 ~copypaste maybe you should rewrite mosh in go
23:57:21 ~copypaste i'd use it
23:57:26 ~copypaste maybe, if it was just as good as mosh
23:57:38 __uguu__ nah it's already done in C no reason to
23:57:39 ~copypaste you could put in actually good prediction
23:57:43 ~copypaste mosh's prediction is total garbage
23:57:50 __uguu__ is it?
23:57:54 ~copypaste yes
23:57:58 __uguu__ i am not using it afaict
23:58:11 ~copypaste that's why it's garbage, it so rarely kicks in
23:58:21 __uguu__ intersting
23:58:27 ~copypaste you can try `mosh -a`
23:58:32 __uguu__ so far i am getting almost zero lag
23:58:35 ~copypaste but even then it makes tons of errors which aren't really predictive at all
23:58:37 ~copypaste that's good
23:58:43 ~copypaste you had lag in ssh but none in mosh?
23:58:49 __uguu__ rather, the udp parts are bringing a noticable improvement
23:58:52 ~copypaste maybe the wifi you are using prefers UDP
23:58:53 ~copypaste yeah
23:59:10 __uguu__ tcp blocks when it needs to retransmit
23:59:20 ~copypaste the primary reason i use mosh is it survives network disconnects
23:59:25 ~copypaste which happen a lot to me
23:59:25 __uguu__ yes that too
23:59:45 __uguu__ str4d always wanted a mosh plugin for i2p
23:59:52 __uguu__ since he does ssh over i2p
23:59:55 __uguu__ :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD