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00:06:52	StephenLynx	copypaste, can you remove the ssl requirement for this room? those logs can be scraped, rendering the ssl requirement useless.
00:07:28	capone	wait what ssl requirement
00:07:47	StephenLynx	last time I checked, you had to use ssl to connect to rizon to enter this channel
00:07:55	capone	which flag is that
00:08:01	~copypaste	no, it helps get a minimum technical aptitude for people connecting
00:08:11	StephenLynx	welp
00:08:14	capone	^
00:13:15	catmeme	isn't the requirement registered nick?
00:13:55	catmeme	not exactly ssl. maybe it's bundled into a flag.
00:14:33	StephenLynx	that too
00:38:01	czaks	hi
00:38:11	czaks	copypaste: how is vfec going?
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00:44:23	catmeme	you shit's fucked up https://8ch.net/dnsbls_bypass.php
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00:45:09	StephenLynx	yeah, they are unfucking it
00:45:15	catmeme	of course if starts working just as i post it
00:45:26	catmeme	:^)
00:47:11	~copypaste	does anyone know what could make mysql stop trying
00:47:14	~copypaste	it went from 90% cpu
00:47:17	~copypaste	to 5%
00:47:18	~copypaste	lol
00:47:24	~copypaste	i think mysql is done with us
00:47:27	~copypaste	done with our shit
00:47:30	StephenLynx	kek
00:47:44	StephenLynx	it an heroed
00:48:07	StephenLynx	"I can'... handle all... those memes"
00:48:12	StephenLynx	"good bye, meme'd world"
00:49:34	SnakeDude	It was an hero
00:49:37	catmeme	do you know about those (._.) and (;_;)stickers on 4chan servers? we need those on ours too. 2ch ones tho :3
00:49:55	catmeme	the denko and stuff :#
00:56:50	capone	it went 90% when i started posting
00:57:09	StephenLynx	copypaste, is infinity deployed from a git repository and without any changes from said git repository?
00:57:12	StephenLynx	try a git diff.
00:57:19	~copypaste	what
00:57:23	~copypaste	useless suggestion
00:57:34	StephenLynx	what if the running source code has beem tampered?
00:58:05	SnakeDude	JIM ILLUMINATI TAMPERED WITH INFINITY SOURCE CODE
00:58:11	StephenLynx	not him, you dumbass
00:58:13	StephenLynx	josh.
00:58:16	~copypaste	it hasn't
00:58:19	StephenLynx	ok
00:58:34	SnakeDude	I meant josh
00:58:53	StephenLynx	then take off jim's dick off your mind for a minute or two.
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01:02:58	Asimov	.choose VFEC, Lynxchan, Fix InfinityNext TM
01:03:55	SnakeDude	Asimov: This place has no uguubot
01:04:03	SnakeDude	.ddg test
01:04:13	Asimov	:(
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03:39:43	ring	"Fatal error: Call to a member function reset() on a non-object in /srv/http/inc/functions.php on line 1930" happened the last two times I deleted a post as a volunteer
03:39:50	ring	The deletion did go through but it might be a problem
03:40:21	StephenLynx	I get timeouts or 404 everytime I delete my posts.
03:48:21	DeepBlueSea	it's deliberate, deleting posts is discouraged
03:48:37	StephenLynx	kek
03:48:44	StephenLynx	I don't buy that.
03:50:08	DeepBlueSea	well i hardly would make up something like that, would i?
03:50:41	StephenLynx	breaking a feature to discourage a behavior is too retarded.
03:50:53	StephenLynx	I don't believe HW did something like that.
03:51:26	DeepBlueSea	it was implented with plausible deniability though
03:51:33	DeepBlueSea	so it LOOKS like a bug
03:51:43	DeepBlueSea	hidden backdoor style
03:51:49	DeepBlueSea	but free speech functionality
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04:09:09	milez	buttcoinz...how I hat thee
04:09:13	milez	*hate
04:09:36	milez	ProTip: sell all your buttcoinz before hard fork June 1st
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10:18:50	Space_	Safe
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10:20:06	SnakeDude	space
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10:21:43	Space_	safe safe
10:23:51	safe	Space_:
10:26:21	Space_	>$Current_Year
10:26:26	Space_	>not getting what I mean by safe
10:27:33	Space_	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=safe
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10:47:13	milez	fuck me...btc is about to lose it's lunch
10:51:31	maksev	>again
10:52:04	milez	getting out now...hard fork June 1st
10:57:22	maksev	good
11:01:08	safe	what's the 'hard fork'
11:01:29	safe	will it still be as hard to mine? Should I start mining it now if possible?
11:03:08	Space_	Still be hard to mine.
11:03:46	safe	Space_: What's the point of the fork?
11:04:01	safe	more privacy?
11:04:26	Space_	not that sort of fork. Its the blockchan thats forking
11:05:23	safe	Why the blockchain?
11:05:27	Space_	http://blog.cex.io/bitcoin-dictionary/what-is-bitcoin-fork-14622
11:07:40	milez	double the size of blocks on the blockchain from 1mb to 2mb
11:08:00	milez	bitcoin core vs bitcoin classic
11:08:26	milez	in the end I think ChinaCoin is gonna win
11:08:33	milez	they announced they
11:08:38	milez	they're working on their own
11:09:13	milez	>inb4 Satoshi is actually #OpChinaCoin
11:11:09	safe	ChinaCoin?
11:11:51	milez	https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/china-digital-currency/
11:12:07	milez	this is how they're going to get off USD and finally crush Murika
11:12:59	milez	and yes it's official: http://www.pbc.gov.cn/goutongjiaoliu/113456/113469/3008070/index.html
11:15:47	safe	milez: If they somehow cuck it up by making it only mineable by china
11:15:50	safe	then it will fail
11:16:05	safe	if it can be mined by anyone and has goverment backing
11:16:10	milez	no they won't...but China already controls more than 50%
11:16:11	safe	it will crush everything else
11:16:13	safe	china strong
11:18:12	milez	>capitalist pigs to get slaughtered
11:18:46	safe	>pigs
11:18:50	safe	LOL PIG
11:26:13	LordRothschild	>capitalist pigs
11:26:14	LordRothschild	jewsh
11:26:19	LordRothschild	confirmed for socialism
11:27:50	LordRothschild	but yeah
11:27:57	LordRothschild	china right now
11:28:12	LordRothschild	is trying to figure out how to get all the benefits of digital currency
11:28:27	LordRothschild	without the stuff that reduces institutional power
11:30:26	milez	well it's simple really
11:30:56	milez	Jews used Usury to control the world through debt based currencies and global / central banks
11:31:08	milez	Usury was banned in society for centuries for a reason
11:31:33	milez	so now with a crypto coin I can give you a loan privately and we both agree on an interest rate
11:31:39	milez	or I can sell you shares in a corporation
11:31:43	milez	or any other type of contract
11:31:44	JEWS	no, it was banned in christianity
11:31:53	milez	not just Christianity dude
11:31:56	milez	muslims still ban it
11:32:10	JEWS	heh
11:32:30	milez	debt based currency is the real trick
11:32:47	milez	they loan money that desn't exist
11:32:53	JEWS	having an effective monopoly because of goy idiocy is a better trick
11:32:54	milez	it's a slight of hand trick
11:34:06	JEWS	i'm pretty sure having a monopoly is more substantial than sleight-of-hand
11:34:15	milez	the solution is simple really: http://www.jihadwatch.org/juice.jpg
11:34:20	JEWS	we had no competition
11:34:35	JEWS	oh you're kidding
11:34:35	milez	true
11:36:08	milez	I got nothing against the juice dude...like you said they were just smart anough to implement the scheme. Took them a couple centuries to even get it perfected
11:38:06	milez	lulz: http://bbs.dailystormer.com/uploads/default/original/2X/3/34c66196deb5e8a756e15030ac1d63faf44c4e39.gif
11:41:57	Space_	Wouldn't joo cookies be rich in vitamins :^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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11:53:31	Pardon	Hello, did you fine folks know that the PPH of every board is at 0?(excluding /b/, which is at 2)
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13:40:16	~copypaste	last night i turned off post stats before going to bed
13:40:20	~copypaste	that's why everything is zeroed
13:40:30	~copypaste	i found the reason for the original complaint [/v/ takes a long time to post to]
13:40:33	~copypaste	get ready for this
13:42:04	~copypaste	inserting into the board_stats table was taking many seconds
13:42:10	~copypaste	it was getting worse with more and more records
13:42:27	~copypaste	and because board_stats never prunes its historical record, combined with josh's inability to focus on database design
13:43:01	~copypaste	we all assumed that it was just the original reason i started the search for a new IB software, was making things worse
13:43:02	~copypaste	not so
13:43:31	~copypaste	not only did Josh fail at Next, but his incompetent post stats patch degraded preformance over time silently because josh sucks at DB design
13:43:33	~copypaste	what the fuck.
13:43:59	~copypaste	that's why things continued to get worse even with 8chan's user count decreasing
13:44:05	~copypaste	because the post stats table continued to grow
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13:44:18	~copypaste	josh's insistence that algorithmic complexity did not apply to him was...wrong.
13:44:33	~copypaste	this is becoming shakesperean tragedy levels of sad.
13:44:35	maksev	so basically
13:44:38	maksev	hidden grenade
13:44:45	~copypaste	more like hidden balloon
13:44:46	maksev	how fun i do so love db faults
13:44:56	~copypaste	or like hidden frog in slowly heating up water
13:45:01	Reveton	josh is a moron. big O is hardly even computer science, it's just a basic understanding of how many operations you're doing
13:45:07	~copypaste	you've all noticed posting is better now with no stats right?
13:45:08	maksev	picture a hentai where the girl is constantly force fed water up her ass until assplosion copypaste
13:45:15	~copypaste	it's not just me making this observation?
13:45:24	maksev	yes it appears stable
13:45:33	~copypaste	yes there was another bug i didn't catch when i turned it off which caused some mod actions to error
13:45:39	~copypaste	but posts are completing in under 1s
13:45:47	~copypaste	now i can focus on the index fix
13:45:53	Reveton	copypaste: any thoughts on this idea? http://8ch.net/operate/res/46222.html feel free to criticize
13:45:57	maksev	It would not hurt to perhaps wipe everyboard from the system that has not had activity or owner login for >4 montsh copypaste although I previously understood you were against deleting boards
13:46:14	maksev	but the endless trail of boards in the database that are totally unused and dead cannot be helping either
13:46:41	~copypaste	i don't like users being forced to use js.
13:46:43	maksev	or rather i previously understood josh was against it (some of us suggested it)
13:47:05	~copypaste	maksev: i'll consider it, but right now i know that's not the problem. they're in separate tables. if they're untouched all they do is just take up space
13:47:07	~copypaste	no other downsides
13:47:11	Reveton	agreed, it's annoying. maybe a fallback to just rendering the twig templates from the database (rather than storing on disk) for users who don't want JS could be okay.
13:47:13	~copypaste	they aren't inserted to or selected from
13:47:15	Reveton	though maybe prone to DoS
13:47:16	~copypaste	so they can't slow things down
13:48:02	maksev	oh btw did you talk to ranix? i sent you some follow up pms my understanding of the ip exploit was incorrect, the ip hash is uniqe to each board 100% of the time except from users who use cellphones to post and have the same carrier, although thats a nonissue, rather it was board owners producing user profiles based on mannerisms/ect and sharing post histories with each other to compare user mannerisms to determine a profile
13:48:15	~copypaste	yes i got it. you were wrong as i expected
13:48:42	maksev	However, upon examining some of acid's supposed user profiles I found them to contain large errors and in many cases he though a series of posts was a single user, but in fact it was several users
13:49:01	maksev	So really, 98% of the post history that spergs have been sharing with each other is totally wrong or full of errors
13:49:05	maksev	The system works as is
13:49:17	~copypaste	no surprise
13:49:51	maksev	eh i was just glad to find that it was secure, it has been hard to tell what is and is not working properly in the wake of null sperg
13:50:33	maksev	yea as for boards you have a point, it seems like the statistic moniter was actually the source of alot of the instability which is...really funny? its pretty funny he was that dumb
13:50:48	maksev	>tfw your stastistics system is the cause of instability
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13:55:41	maksev	copypaste do you think josh intentionally put that bad patch there so that he could justify next more easily...?
13:55:52	maksev	or was it simply incompetence
13:56:18	Reveton	hanlon's razor probably
13:57:46	~copypaste	i think incompetence, remember that bad DB design was part of the reason for next being slow
13:57:59	~copypaste	and he needed a postgresql engineer to help with that
13:59:39	BigMac	copypaste, who's the engineer that was helping josh with that?
13:59:59	~copypaste	his name is johann, he works for 2ch
14:00:07	~copypaste	josh mentioned him before i think, so that's why i am
14:00:33	~copypaste	he created this http://find.2ch.net/
14:00:35	BigMac	ok, so that's who he meant, yeah he mentioned a 'john' a couple weeks back
14:00:39	~copypaste	his project is the 2ch search engine (big data)
14:00:57	Space_	Btw copypaste ALWAYS HAVE A CONTRACT. always.
14:00:59	~copypaste	because 2ch never deletes threads remember
14:01:51	~copypaste	compared to his my project is relatively unimportant, just a drawing tool
14:02:14	maksev	i can't believe the faggot is jewing us over the license like this
14:02:25	maksev	>asking for git contribs to now give their personal info to him
14:02:28	~copypaste	given this problem i just found i'm not sure i want to use next
14:02:46	maksev	a thousand exploding cigars seems possible
14:03:04	~copypaste	this plus not caring about ip leaks
14:03:08	Space_	tbf Copypaste did make him switch from MIT to AGPL....josh is being a prick about it though.
14:03:10	~copypaste	it's a big problem
14:03:35	~copypaste	Space_: i only want him to switch back so 2ch will work on it. i like the agpl. i just thought we'd never need to beg for outside help
14:03:35	maksev	hes being a jew is what hes being
14:03:38	~copypaste	because i thought him competent
14:03:40	~copypaste	but of course he isn't
14:03:45	~copypaste	that was my mistake.
14:03:58	maksev	ive never seen any software delevoper on git ask for people contributing to his project wanting to send him their personal info
14:04:01	maksev	that was some jew shit
14:04:05	~copypaste	no kidding
14:04:12	~copypaste	i have no idea what went through his mind
14:04:14	maksev	ofc i doubt anyone will but the nerv of that
14:04:23	~copypaste	esepcially everything else he did, like tell me he lost his contract with ron
14:04:27	~copypaste	when that never happened
14:04:30	maksev	>hurr make free contribs to my project but give me ur dox durr
14:04:30	~copypaste	maybe he's schizo ?
14:04:39	~copypaste	i just can't explain his behavior
14:04:40	maksev	no hes not a schizo hes nuts
14:04:57	maksev	hes fucking nuts copypaste hes not the only nut ball faggot i have come across on or related to 8ch
14:04:57	Space_	Or maybe all dat jquery and debugging fried his brain :^)
14:05:17	maksev	there are quite a few people like him that 8ch attracted when it first got really big. why? i dont know maybe its a social outcast thing
14:05:28	BigMac	wait, so next has a poster ip leak?
14:05:35	maksev	but yea, of them he is the only one that made it into a serious position and he was fucking nuts
14:05:42	Space_	Yeah Because josh fucked up the caching
14:06:24	~copypaste	i guess i thought kiwifarms was bigger than it was
14:06:51	Reveton	josh spends $80-90/month on server costs for kiwifarms. my site gets (slightly) more traffic than him for a tiny fraction of that cost.
14:07:15	~copypaste	yeah i did think that KF was overengineered. he has like 4 servers for it and they apparently run at max
14:07:18	~copypaste	it's just xenforo...right ?
14:07:25	~copypaste	also he paid for the software for it
14:07:27	Reveton	i talked to glaive about it once. the infrastructure is totally retarded.
14:07:29	~copypaste	man, why did i trust him
14:07:30	~copypaste	lol
14:07:33	Reveton	so retarded i almost wonder if he just wants an excuse to get donations
14:07:35	Space_	Why did you hire a lolcow in the first place?
14:07:42	~copypaste	i dunno man, i dunno
14:07:46	Space_	Gunna hire nuclear next? :^)
14:07:47	~copypaste	no one else would really work for 6 months
14:07:50	~copypaste	maybe an indian i gues
14:07:55	Reveton	/cow/ tried to warn you my family
14:08:02	~copypaste	i should have listened
14:08:06	~copypaste	enig tried to warn me
14:08:10	~copypaste	so did obamatron
14:08:15	Reveton	but yeah he was one of the only people with at least a little programming knowledge + apparent motivation and dedication
14:08:31	~copypaste	yeah and the write up he made for the project was so sound
14:08:34	Reveton	i can understand thinking he could've been an efficient and effective worker. though his personality flaws were pretty well-known.
14:08:36	~copypaste	do you remember the "For programmers" section ?
14:08:39	~copypaste	he was a really good writer
14:08:52	Reveton	someone commented he can have a cult leader-ish/charismatic style of writing
14:08:54	~copypaste	most programmers have at least some personality flaws
14:09:05	Space_	His code is pretty clean too tbh
14:09:10	Reveton	eh
14:09:14	~copypaste	clean != efficient
14:09:15	Reveton	that's because laravel is a really nicely designed framework
14:09:17	~copypaste	we learned that fast
14:09:19	Reveton	it's hard to write ugly code with laravel
14:09:22	Space_	We can see that fam :^)
14:09:25	~copypaste	also that Reveton
14:09:41	Reveton	not to be an arrogant dick but when he announced infinity next, i wrote a bunch of long walls of text saying its performance would be shit and to consider a totally different engineering approach
14:09:47	Reveton	in the 8ch thread
14:09:54	Reveton	and czaks seemed to agree with me
14:10:06	Reveton	i can't find the thread at the moment
14:10:21	~copypaste	next's only chance for working on 8chan was him signing it over to someone competent to work on it for a few months
14:10:21	Space_	and it turned out to be true.....
14:10:28	~copypaste	without that it will never work under required load
14:10:29	BigMac	I just remember the #metachan talks, he didn't really show up in there, not while I was in the channel
14:10:31	~copypaste	i'm pretty confident of that
14:10:41	BigMac	he was pretty active in threads
14:10:51	BigMac	but those aren't a good place to talk architecture seriously
14:10:59	~copypaste	i don't know why i thought he was good at this sort of thing
14:11:06	~copypaste	i mean, he did say he'd been doing it since he was a kid
14:11:10	BigMac	copypaste, he wrote PHP and you can read PHP
14:11:14	Reveton	imo i don't think PHP + a basic 3 tier architecture + bulky framework will ever work for a site of 8chan's scale without very high server costs, even from a good coder who understands optimization and makes judicious use of caching
14:11:19	Space_	The power of persuasive writing....
14:11:27	BigMac	the alternatives you wouldn't be able to vet as easily
14:11:38	BigMac	it was a natural choice for you to stick with somebody who used the same tools you know
14:11:43	~copypaste	https://archive.is/9oypZ
14:11:45	~copypaste	remember this page?
14:11:48	~copypaste	so much hype
14:11:51	~copypaste	;_;
14:11:52	~copypaste	RIP
14:11:57	Reveton	he's good at marketing
14:12:01	~copypaste	yes he is
14:12:03	~copypaste	he sold it to me even
14:12:09	BigMac	it's just a gamble that didn't pay off
14:12:17	Space_	^
14:12:20	~copypaste	yee
14:12:35	Reveton	all hope isn't lost. VFEC and successors should help.
14:12:40	Space_	But hey We have Lynxchan to lookforward to :^)))))))))))))))
14:12:42	~copypaste	i get that, but then i find that the code he contributed months prior, the stats system, which greatly influenced my decision
14:12:42	~copypaste	right
14:12:50	~copypaste	that's why i thought he was great at this kind of thing
14:12:54	~copypaste	was the thing slowly crippling 8chan
14:12:57	~copypaste	unbelievable
14:13:12	BigMac	wait a sec
14:13:16	~copypaste	works well with few records but becomes an unmanageable blob of records
14:13:21	BigMac	so he ACTUALLY did sabotage 8ch?
14:13:23	OdiliTime	DBAs tfw
14:13:26	OdiliTime	Er
14:13:29	OdiliTime	Ftw
14:13:30	~copypaste	BigMac: 8chan is only working so fast right now because i disabled the stats system
14:13:33	~copypaste	VFEC isn't live yet
14:13:35	OdiliTime	Stupid phone
14:13:36	~copypaste	lol
14:13:40	BigMac	oh shit
14:13:42	~copypaste	it's the same old software
14:13:44	Space_	Plus being ill also crippled 8ch tbh.....
14:13:46	~copypaste	just with boards.html disabled.
14:14:01	~copypaste	(zeroed)
14:14:23	Reveton	bigmac: not intentionally. he's just a moron.
14:14:29	~copypaste	^
14:14:32	~copypaste	it wasn't on purpose
14:14:39	~copypaste	i don't think at least
14:15:03	BigMac	he's a pretty self confident moron if it wasn't intentional
14:15:36	Space_	You have to be. Too be the most hated man in *Chan history
14:15:46	Reveton	most narcissists tend to have far more confidence than talent to back it up
14:16:28	BigMac	copypaste, are you open to lynxchan if mongod gets swapped for postgresql?
14:16:56	~copypaste	i'm open to it regardless
14:16:59	~copypaste	read the backlog
14:17:01	~copypaste	irclog.8ch.net
14:17:05	~copypaste	you have no excuse now
14:17:09	BigMac	thanks, reading
14:17:12	OdiliTime	Confident != narcissist
14:17:14	~copypaste	yee
14:17:16	~copypaste	everything ever is there
14:17:21	~copypaste	well, almost
14:17:28	Space_	server not found :^(
14:17:29	~copypaste	i accidentally my irc logs before february 15
14:17:31	~copypaste	o
14:17:32	~copypaste	irclogs.8ch.net
14:17:47	BigMac	ah, I'm just noticing you mention lynxchan in the notice too
14:18:07	--	Topic for #8chan-dev is "infinitydev.org \| https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity (VFEC in progress) \| https://gitgud.io/LynxChan/LynxChan this is good too \| For those who cannot idle: http://irclogs.8ch.net"
14:18:07	--	Topic set by copypaste (~copypaste@8chan.co) on Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:35:07
14:18:08	BigMac	sorry I've been out of the country for a week, and did a final exam today, still getting my shit together
14:18:17	~copypaste	n[
14:18:19	~copypaste	np*
14:18:24	~copypaste	i made irclogs.8 for people like you
14:18:30	~copypaste	that way you can still follow along
14:18:48	Reveton	imo lynxchan isn't a good plan. it'd need a ton of extra development, and with php 7 released, node isn't necessarily thaaat much faster than php
14:18:48	OdiliTime	I guess need to stop shit talking lynxchan in here :^p
14:19:09	BigMac	Reveton, the problem is PHP encourages bad architecture
14:19:19	OdiliTime	^
14:19:23	Reveton	bigmac: it does. PHP is awful. node's default callback hell style sucks too, though.
14:19:28	~copypaste	i was originally against GridFS
14:19:31	Reveton	though i think people are using different styles nowadays to handle async in JS
14:19:32	~copypaste	but now i think it will help us horizontally scale
14:19:33	Space_	Now that NEXT is dead it is time to shit talk Lynxchan :^) LYNXCHAN WHEN? LYNXCHAN NEVER :^)
14:19:34	BigMac	yes Reveton
14:19:36	~copypaste	without using clunky RAIDs
14:19:38	OdiliTime	Well not encourage but its easy to do bad things
14:19:41	~copypaste	i think it can be dank
14:19:42	~copypaste	if used correctly
14:19:52	Space_	Jny is bulding a Chan in D
14:20:00	~copypaste	D is a meme language
14:20:07	OdiliTime	^
14:20:14	Reveton	threads do map well to a document store model
14:20:19	Space_	So is PHP and javascript :^)
14:20:50	BigMac	write a chan in Go while you're at it
14:21:00	OdiliTime	Nntpchan is in go
14:21:08	OdiliTime	I'm learning go hacking on that
14:21:16	Space_	Shamoanjac is writing a Chan in C
14:21:16	capone	h a s k e l l
14:21:22	capone	l i s p
14:21:29	BigMac	OdiliTime, aren't they considering a rewrite in a different lang?
14:21:37	Space_	Theres also a guy writing a chan in rust.....
14:21:40	OdiliTime	Not afaik
14:22:18	BigMac	I remember him mentioning some regrets about picking Go ~3 weeks back
14:22:28	BigMac	but that he really didn't want to do a rewrite
14:22:31	Reveton	go is pretty good for performance but doesn't seem pleasant to write in
14:22:35	BigMac	^
14:22:35	Reveton	it's imperative to the point of pain
14:22:41	Reveton	imperative/procedural
14:22:51	Space_	Will there ever be a chan written in Brainfuck?
14:23:02	OdiliTime	I like procedural
14:23:05	BigMac	I'd love to run Go code written by other people
14:23:09	Reveton	honestly starting a new imageboard project from scratch at this point seems pretty foolish, unless it's like some big community effort that everyone agrees on and has lots of contributors
14:23:09	BigMac	that I never need to touch
14:23:32	OdiliTime	Well I have the fastest php one
14:23:33	Space_	Nah raveton.... Looks good on the CV since its a CRUD :^)
14:23:39	OdiliTime	And its 3 months old
14:23:50	Reveton	github link?
14:23:54	BigMac	Reveton, I think it's good as long as someone has prerequisite knowledge/experience and time
14:23:54	OdiliTime	So there definitely room for more imageboards
14:24:07	BigMac	If you don't know DBs, it's gonna be hacky
14:24:14	Space_	>tfw started an anonymous yikyak clone. >tfw have done anything on it for a year
14:24:18	BigMac	if you don't know X etc etc
14:24:25	OdiliTime	https://gitgud.io/Sapphire/FutaBilly
14:24:31	Reveton	bigmac: i don't think so. anything anyone makes is going to be "75% complete" for 3 years unless they have a ton of motivation and work ethic, or many other contributors
14:24:33	capone	there would be much less imageboards if next was a success
14:24:33	Reveton	that's how those things usually go
14:24:35	OdiliTime	No DB, requires js
14:24:41	Space_	>js
14:24:44	Space_	>>>/trash/
14:24:50	OdiliTime	And the FE needs a ton of work right now
14:24:51	maksev	the biggest lesson for me here is testing
14:25:03	maksev	Whatever we do next, testing at each step in the process is key
14:25:10	BigMac	maksev, experience
14:25:13	OdiliTime	But runs 8a /v/ with 8000 pages at 6k req/s
14:25:15	~copypaste	same
14:25:15	Reveton	odilitime: seems somewhat similar to my SPA idea in http://8ch.net/operate/res/46222.html
14:25:21	~copypaste	need to run a load test framework
14:25:23	Space_	Also a clear thought out design document tbh
14:25:24	~copypaste	each step of the way
14:25:29	maksev	had josh tested literally fucking anything properly next would have been either fixed or easily spotted as flawed far earlier than the fucking release date
14:25:31	~copypaste	and not just "request the same thread over and over"
14:25:33	Reveton	why'd you choose PHP though?
14:25:37	maksev	By the way copypaste this caught my eye https://8ch.net/operate/res/46196.html#q46220
14:25:49	OdiliTime	Because I can write good php
14:26:04	Space_	Its because Personal Hebrew page is the chosen language :^)
14:26:07	maksev	i dont know what the accuracy of this post is but it occurred to me people had said josh leaked ips prior to the most recent event with the debugger, back when it was simply infinity dev.org
14:26:09	OdiliTime	And for taking input from a web form, its a good fit
14:26:23	maksev	anyway back to current convo so php
14:26:28	maksev	im not to hot on php anymore
14:26:46	maksev	Infinity next failing makes two major projects I have been around or invovled in that both relied on php and both failed
14:26:47	OdiliTime	You will be when we fix infinity :p
14:26:58	Space_	I love PHP its like C and a less shit javascript :^)
14:27:04	~copypaste	OdiliTime: have you notoiced how much better things have been with no stats table?
14:27:06	maksev	I doubt it, this is the second or third project reliant on php I watched fail
14:27:13	maksev	ironically it took about the same amount of time
14:27:14	~copypaste	things will be gravy with post table merging and vfec
14:27:16	~copypaste	i can see it now
14:27:18	~copypaste	endless dank memes
14:27:25	capone	oh boy
14:27:28	OdiliTime	copypaste: haven't had a chance to look but I read the scrollback
14:27:33	maksev	endless memes
14:27:36	capone	imagine all the shitposting
14:27:51	capone	with faster and working site
14:28:18	OdiliTime	Grease the meme machine, we're going in
14:28:21	maksev	copypaste how bad would users chimp out if we just removed posting statistics entirely? cuckchan does not have real time stats although most
14:28:33	maksev	'otherchans' do like endchan 314, 99, kraut ect
14:28:41	capone	i have my doubles machine ready
14:28:42	maksev	but ive wondered lately how necessary it is
14:29:07	Space_	But 8ch is the second biggest english chan right?
14:29:12	maksev	posting stats such as number of uids and pph has often led to boards fighting with each other too, whereas without that data availble they might not
14:29:19	maksev	*real time posting stats
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14:29:37	OdiliTime	It is
14:29:43	maksev	myabe just ditch posting stats entirely...
14:29:48	Space_	also doesn't PPH define where they are in the "leaderboard"?
14:29:53	maksev	yes it does
14:29:58	Space_	Still be in fighting m8
14:30:13	maksev	even with the top 25 feature long gone they still fight due to the "boards".html page displaying where boards are ranked
14:30:38	maksev	who here recalls how bad it was when we had the top boards banner at the top? I really liked that feature by the way except for the fighting
14:30:48	Space_	why not have Boards.html generate a random list? instead of the top 25
14:30:53	maksev	especially because meta and operate were stickied there are global boards and it improved communication
14:31:19	maksev	well because that would make it hard to easily navigate to major boards space_ and is counterintuitive
14:31:34	capone	remove ded boards, that makes it easier
14:31:36	Space_	But it will bring users to unknown boards
14:32:02	maksev	IMO the best solution would be to bring back the "top 25" thing, but instead sticky mainstay boards to it such as /v/ /pol/ /b/ /news/ and /operate/, and then have boards.html generate random lists
14:32:17	Space_	^
14:32:19	maksev	this of course assumes that the overboard feature cannot now be integrated or completed in future interations of our software
14:32:57	maksev	Note: stickying legacy boards would NOT imply they were now global boards, instead it would just allow for the "big 3" as well as a couple of the 8ch global communications boards to be easily navigated to
14:33:00	Space_	I'm sure copypaste will be able to hack it in.
14:33:34	maksev	yes with overboard installed it becomes less of an issue although id still lobby for the legacy boards having a place at the top of the page again like old days
14:34:12	maksev	navigablity is something id like to bring back especially since the front page is no longer indexed by google just the boards pages apparently
14:34:20	maksev	fucking jewggle
14:35:18	Reveton	reddit has hundreds of thousands of totally unknown boards. default subreddits are necessary for basic functioning
14:36:19	Space_	but reddit is ghey
14:37:42	maksev	its beside the point I agree with reveton
14:38:00	Reveton	reddit sucks but they have a pretty functional interface
14:38:09	Space_	Looks like infinity next :^)
14:38:11	maksev	should be default boards that are easily navigable/navigated to via a top banner, the rest can be randomized to prevent board wars

StephenLynx

copypaste, can you remove the ssl requirement for this room? those logs can be scraped, rendering the ssl requirement useless.